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From: Pete Atkin
Subject: MV1081: Me again
Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 19:06:45 +0100
Dear All
It's a fascinating (well, OK, semi-fascinating, as the lamented F. Muir used
to say) lesson in statistical analysis to see how many continuing and
different ways there are of interpreting the Top Ten data. I love it.
Just a few brief things (really):
Barry - (caption competition) I'm truly flattered by the comparison with
Laurel and Hardy, but I have to know: which of us is which?
Dave (1056) - Paul Keogh did everything I asked him on Wall of Death - it's
much more that I didn't ask him to do the right things. It was one of
those just-written songs that hadn't had any time to get bedded in through
a few live performances, and I think it suffers from that. I simply didn't
know how to achieve the kind of heaviness I thought I was after, to contrast
properly the two bits of the song. With hindsight, I think it was the wrong
way to have gone about it. If I'm feeling brave, I may demonstrate what I
mean at Buxton (OK, OK, I know you can't be there - sorry).
Stephen (1064) - the question about what makes a guitar song and what a
piano song is an intriguing one, mainly because I've never really given it
any conscious thought. The thing about chord voicings is a major part of
it: the possible ways to sound any given chord are getting on for
infinitely more on the keyboard than on the guitar, and when the particular
way the chords work is crucial, it tends to be a piano song - that has much
more to do with why Thirty Year Man is a piano song than its subject matter
does, for instance. (But there are guitar-based examples of this: I do
Flowers and the Wine in C, but that is C achieved by playing it in A with
capo on 3, just because of the chord voiceings). Others that are locked
onto the piano in that way (in my head, anyway) include, Master of the
Revels, Tenderfoot, Hollow and Fluted Night, and there must be more. I have
once or twice done Sessionman's Blues on guitar, though, which sort of
surprises me, anyway. It's generally much easier to transfer a 'guitar'
song onto piano than vice versa, for that same reason. I have been known to
do BOTBS on keyboard, for instance, and it's hard to think of many that I'd
think of as untranslatable in that direction, although there are several
that I think keyboard (my keyboard, anyway) would tend to clutter up and get
in the way - Wristwatch, for instance, or most of the jokey ones, come to
think of it. In the end, it's just down to 'feel' on individual songs,
and whether switching (always assuming I'm capable of it technically) offers
a usefully different perspective.
And, hey, if you're anywhere near Bath next Sunday (31st) the Steve Martland
Band is playing at the Pavilion. If you're interested in hearing something
unlike ANYTHING you've heard before - I mean, really - but which will leave
you exhilarated rather than mystified......
If not, well, maybe next time.
Rock on. Or whatever.
Pete
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 10:55:29 +0800
From: John Fuery <email address>
Subject: MV1082: PA COVERS ALBUM
Re: PA COVERS ALBUM
Dear MVs,
Following the underwhelming response to my idea of a PA/CJ Covers/Tribute
album (see MV1036) in which we could propose ideas as to which artist might be
best suited to cover which PA/CJ song, I'm left with two possible conclusions-
1) We're a pretty unimaginative lot - which is obviously not the case.
2) PA/CJ's lack of commercial success is totally down to the fact that their
songs are just too esoteric for other artists to cover.
Aside from Val Doonican's already-extant FATW, the only suggestions have been
TOM WAITS ("Thirty Year Man", "Between Us There Is Nothing") JOHN
MARTYN(""Perfect Moments") - both from me, and FRANK SINATRA ("Thirty Year
Man")from Don Brown in MV1067 and TONY BENNETT ("Thirty Year Man") from Leslie
Moss in MV 1069.
Surely there are other PA/CJ songs which Voices can imagine being sung/played
by other artists?
Anyone else got any comments or ideas about the above? You can if you so
desire also suggest a "World's Worst PA Covers album" in which artists totally
unsuited to the songs are suggested e.g. Val Doonican "Rain Wheels" or "I See
The Joker".
Yours from recession-hit Asia
JOHN FUERY
P.S. Won't be able to make Buxton, (put me down for the first CD!) but have
sent a copy of the BOTBS/DTMA CD to the organisers of the HongKong Folk
Festival together with Steve's e-mail address to see if they'd consider
booking PA for this year's Festival in November - should PA be interested in
doing it.
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:10:35 +0100
From: S J Birkill <email address>
Subject: MV1083: Covers - here's another
Thanks to Cary for sending a tape of the most recently published (to my
knowledge) cover of a James/Atkin song. Folk-style singer/guitarist Wizz
Jones included "Touch Has A Memory" on his 1987 "The Grapes Of Life" album
on Run River Records. This is the cassette (the only?) version, RRA C005.
Hear it in RA3 at http://www.rwt.co.uk/wizz.ram
Download it from ftp://ftp.rwt.co.uk/pub/rwt/ra/wizz.ra
Also freshly transcribed (thanks here to Graham Stibbs), Pete's own
rendition of his train blues, from the radio show "Digance does it ...
locally" when it visited Cambridge in 1988.
Hear it in RA3 at http://www.rwt.co.uk/train.ram
Download it from ftp://ftp.rwt.co.uk/pub/rwt/ra/train.ra
-- Steve
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:35:36 +0100
From: Gerald Smith <email address>
Subject: MV1084 Re: MV1082: PA COVERS ALBUM
At 09:33 25/05/98 +0100, John Fuery wrote:
>Surely there are other PA/CJ songs which Voices can imagine being sung/played
>by other artists? >Anyone else got any comments or ideas ...
How about Toyah Wilcox doing Rain Wheels?! %)
Gerry Smith
Gerald Smith's Homepage :
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/gerald.smith/index.htm
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Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 15:00:07 +0100
From: S J Birkill <email address>
Subject: MV1085: Roll Call
Most MV members are "lurkers". The term is conventional jargon, and despite
its pejorative sound it's not meant as a criticism -- one doesn't have to
participate to enjoy the discussion and keep up with the news. But once or
twice I've been asked whether I've heard from someone's long-lost friend,
also a Pete Atkin aficionado. Just in case you're lurking unspoken
alongside someone with whom you'd like to (or even hate to!) make contact,
here's the list, with addresses removed to protect against unwanted
intrusion. If anyone would like a message forwarding (though not always
possible with lapsed members), please contact me -- Steve.
Current members, daily list:
Alex
Bill Anderson
Pete Atkin
Roger Barnett
Steve Bennett
Cary Bernard
Tim Binsted
Alexis Birkill
Carole Birkill
S J Birkill
Colin Boag
Don Bowen
Roy Brown
Peter Bushby
Andrew Carter
Edmund Chattoe
Ian Chippett
Chris
Stephen Coles
Richard Corfield
Roger Cornwell & Jean Rogers
Michael J. Cross
Tony Currie
Ian Davie
Michael Davies
Derek P. Davis
Helen Dinsdale
John Duncan
Martin Eldon
Jeffrey Farrell
David Fisher
John Fuery
Richard Gibson
David Griffin
Chris Harris
John Harris
Mike Hodges
Barry Holley
Tom Holt
Graham Huckin
Kenneth Hutchinson
Adrian Jenkins
Dave Jones
Frances Kemmish
Rob King
Bob Kingsley
Bob Kingston
Alun Lewis
Graeme Lindsay
Ian Lindsay
Maurice J. Lovelock
Neil Lovelock
Murray McGlew
Peter McInerney
Ian McNee
Gary Meek
Barry Miles
Mike Millen
Jeff Moss
Leslie Moss
Evelyn Murray
Martin Nail
Neil Norman
Derrick Palmer
Stephen Payne
Mike and Mel Powell
Hamilton Pruim
John Ramsey
Drew Rankine
Simon Reap
Steve Reels
Stuart Reeves
Paul Reid
Mark Roberts
John Allen Robinson
Richard Ross
Robin Schoolar
John Schwiller
Lynn Sheppard
Mary Shipway
Michael Shoolbred
David Sinfield
Jeffrey Sloneem
Cliff Smith
Gerry Smith
Pete Smith
Ian Sorensen
Graham Stibbs
Roy Thompson
Ed Tolputt
John Tolputt
Nick Tothill
David Turner
Andy Victor
Mike Walters & Christine Guilfoyle
Dr Jeremy Walton
Mike Welbrock
Roger Burton West
Helen White
Mark Wing-Davey
Ian Wright
Raymond Wright
Weekly List:
Graeme Aldous
Helen Armfield
Jim Arnold
Dave Bondy
Neil Bullock
Jonathan Cave
John Corfield
Jenny Cotterill
James Cuthbert
David Gibson
Steve Gilbert
David Gritten
Graham Hollis
Chris Jackson
David Kennedy
Stephen Lynas
Ramsey Margolis
Robert Matthews
Roger May
Steve McGrady
John N L Morrison
Mick O'Kelly
Bill Pannifer
Ray Pemberton
Jon Ray
Terry Roberts
John Ross
Roger Sherhod
Rob Spence
David Turner
Dorothy Walker
Philip Winter
Derek Wright
Not Current (lapsed or resigned):
Richard Adey
Richard Barrett
Chrissy
Ben Delfont
Rose Dempsey
Laura Forster
Keir Giles
John Gladwyn
Nick Harding
Peter Hipsey
Colin Little
Pat Llanwarne
Mick Lynch
Jonathan Madden
Benjamin Peterson
Gordon Rae
Dave Randall
Dave Robinson
Michael Schlagman
Roger Spiers
Adrian Stovold
Alan Terrill
Karen Traviss
Henry Yeomans
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From: Dave Jones <email address>
Subject: MV1086 RE: MV1075; MV 1073
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 11:43:59 -0400
>>"A man who's been around" is a nice piece. Who were
>>the backing band on that, and where was it recorded ?
> If you mean the Baudelaire version, it was done for the (brief) TV series
>"The Party's Moving On" and involved a band led by MD and pianist Laurie
>Holloway throughout the run. Steve's put details on the web site under The
>LWT Shows. It was a long time ago, but I'm pretty certain Pete didn't play
>piano himself on this one.
Yes, I raised an eyebrow or three myself on hearing that piano work. I hadn't
heard anything like it from Pete in the past.
>I don't know if Pete's performed the song since then, and perhaps it's a a
>little on the Tin Pan Alley side, but as a slice of life I think it
>deserves consideration for an outing sometime...
>Graham Stibbs
I think it could be the Sinatra cover piece, rather than "Thirty Year Man".
The piano figure in TYM reminds me of that quintessential lounge song "One
for my baby" ("Set 'em up Joe.....", "One for my baby, and one more for the
road"), which, by astounding coincidence, was played on the car radio just as
I turned it on the other night. OK, it was part of a Frankie retrospective
(though on the minority jazz station: the mainstream stations here mentioned
Frank's passing on the news and then went back to hyping Hanson). Listening
to "One for my baby" it came to me that, for all that we love "Thirty Year
Man" it's playing in a different league. It has a feeling, an image, and a
certain lyric structure, but "One for my baby" has a story and a range of
emotion that you latch onto very quickly (which is essential for a "popular
song"). "Thirty Year Man" you can play again and again, finding new aspects
as you do so.
"A man who's been around" is more like that "popular" lounge song. I can
easily hear Frank singing it.
Dave Jones
Around and around in Rochester NY.
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From: IChippett <email address>
Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 16:48:06 EDT
Subject: MV1087: Cover Versions
If you can't think of a suitable singer to cover Pete's songs, how about
thinking of suitable songs for Pete to cover? I'd love to hear him doing stuff
from the works of Jimmy Van Heusen, Harry Warren, Rodgers and Hart, etc. when
they knew how to write a tune, etc, etc.
Ian C
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:04:11 +0000
From: Stephen Payne <email address>
Subject: MV1088 Re: MV1070; MV1081
Thanks very much to Gerry and Pete for illuminating my guitar/piano
darkness. Thinking more carefully, I realise I was wrong to say that my
satisfaction with the guitar chords is uncorrelated with whether the
original is piano- or guiitar- centred. It's just that it's not perfectly
correlated: another song which seems to me to have a very pleasing guitar
accompaniment, despite missing some subtleties of the piano arrangement is
Screen Freak; but indeed most of the most pleasing ones are guitar songs.
Ah well: too late for me to learn the piano I fear, even if I set the
sights as low as my crummy guitar.
The chords for Care-charmer Sleep were well worth waiting for, thanks.
Perhaps the biggest surprise of the top ten voting for me was that this
gorgeous song didn't finish further up the charts....
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:23:24 +0100
From: Roy Brown <email address>
Subject: MV1089 Re: MV1084; MV1082: PA COVERS ALBUM
>Date: Mon, 25 May 1998 14:35:36 +0100
>From: Gerald Smith <email address>
>Subject: Re: MV1082: PA COVERS ALBUM
>
>At 09:33 25/05/98 +0100, John Fuery wrote:
>
>
>>Surely there are other PA/CJ songs which Voices can imagine being sung/
>>played by other artists? >Anyone else got any comments or ideas ...
>
>How about Toyah Wilcox doing Rain Wheels?! %)
>
Sounds good - I could imagine her being the driver too.
My top three are:
Jonathan Ross with 'Prince of Aquitaine'
Bjork with 'Touch has a Memory'
Rolf Harris with 'Rider To the World's End'
--
Roy Brown Phone : <phone number> Fax : <fax number>
Affirm Ltd Email : <email address>
<postal address> 'Have nothing on your systems that you do not
know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful.'
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From: IChippett <email address>
Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 02:25:37 EDT
Subject: MV1090 Re : MV1088; MV1070; MV1081
I agree with Stephen that Care Charmer Sleep is a gorgeous song but it falls
into the same category of Slight But Considerable Songs which we tend to
overlook in favour of the big stuff when it comes to voting. Like Luck of the
Draw, Tongue-tied, Pearl Driller and so on. The song in this category which
did best was Flowers and the Wine maybe because, apart from the rest, of those
superb lines in the middle section.
Going back to Care Charmer Sleep, we have another example of a great middle
bit, this time a musical one, with a really elegant move from A to B to C#,
then to F to G to C before we return to the final verse as if nothing had
happened. Gerry explains this sort of thing better than me but I can't think
of another song writer who could manage this. Not even Elton John. 8-)
Ian C
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 10:43:39
From: Richard M Corfield <email address>
Subject: MV1091: Pi
Dear MV's,
Having laboured long over a hot hard drive I have produced a ranking for
the top 58 Pete Atkin Songs based on the recent voting exercise.
For those of you who glaze over at the mention of statistics please read on
(if my old math's master knew that young Corfield was in charge of this
operation he'd long ago have reached for his oxygen mask...;-)).
Anyhow,
The way that the voting was organised reflected three measures of the
popularity of a song:
1) The score that it was given (between 1 and 10) which can be expressed as
an average i.e. the total score divided by the number of people who voted
for it.
2) The spread of the individual votes around that mean (technically the
standard error)
3) And of course (as pointed out by Michael Cross) the number of people who
voted for it in the first place.
So, the measure that I've used reflects all of these: (x/se)*n
where x is the mean score
se is the standard error
n is the number of votes.
This index not only reflects how highly a song scored, it also reflects
how consistent were the scores for it. In other words it penalises averages
calculated from a large spread of original values and emphasises averages
where the voters agree very well on the score. An example of this would be
'Tonight your love is over'. This song ranks 5 out of 58 because the people
who voted for it all agreed that it should score highly (10+9+8+9+9+8). On
the other hand The Hypertension kid is penalised (and performs less well in
the final ranking) because of the very large spread of scores it was given
(5+9+7+10+8+2+10+9+3).
Finally weight is given to the most important measure of all: How many
people voted for it.
I'd like to thank Dr Cortina Borja (University of Oxford, Department of
Statistics) for his advice on the statistical approach.
And so here's the list:
Score Song
1 GIRL ON A TRAIN
2 THIRTY YEAR MAN
3 FADED MANSION ON A HILL
4 THIEF IN THE NIGHT
5 TONIGHT YOUR LOVE IS OVER
6 BEWARE OF THE BEAUTIFUL STRANGER
7 PERFECT MOMENTS
8 WRISTWATCH FOR A DRUMMER
9 PAYDAY EVENINGS
10 FLOWERS AND THE WINE
11 HISTORY AND GEOGRAPHY
12 CANOE
13 CARNATIONS ON THE ROOF
14 SUNLIGHT GATE
15 A KING AT NIGHTFALL
16 SENIOR CITIZENS
17 SESSIONMAN'S BLUES
18 THE HYPERTENSION KID
19 BETWEEN US THERE IS NOTHING
20 PRINCE OF AQUITAINE
21 ARRAY OF PASSIONATE LOVERS
22 TOUCH HAS A MEMORY
23 I SEE THE JOKER
24 SECRET DRINKER
25 LAST HILL THAT SHOWS YOU ALL THE VALLEY
26 NATIONAL STEEL
27 TONGUE-TIED
28 MASTER OF THE REVELS
29 LAUGHING BOY
30 SUNRISE
31 NO DICE
32 SHADOW AND THE WIDOWER
33 BALLAD OF AN UPSTAIRS WINDOW
34 HOLLOW AND THE FLUTED NIGHT
35 SCREEN FREAK
36 PEARLDRILLER
37 SEARCH AND DESTROY
38 LADY OF A DAY
39 ERRANT KNIGHT
40 DOUBLE AGENT
41 YOU CAN'T EXPECT TO BE REMBERED
42 RAIN WHEELS
43 ALL I EVER DID
44 RIDER TO THE WORLDS END
45 PRACTICAL MAN
46 APPARITION IN LAS VEGAS
47 TENDERFOOT
48 ORIGINAL ORIGINAL HONKY TONK NIGHT TRAIN BLUES
49 CARE CHARMER SLEEP
50 THE BEAUTIFUL CHANGES
51 HAVE YOU GOT A BIRO I CAN BORROW?
52 WHERE HAVE THEY ALL GONE?
53 ROAD OF SILK
54 MAN WHO WALKED TOWARD THE MUSIC
55 BLACK FUNK REX
56 EYE OF THE UNIVERSE
57 WALL OF DEATH
58 DRIVING THROUGH MYTHICAL AMERICA
Several low scoring songs couldn't be ranked. These are the songs with 1 or
0 voters.
LUCK OF THE DRAW
MY EGOIST
FRANGIPANNI WAS HER FLOWER
WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO?
A MAN WHO'S BEEN AROUND
ALL THE DEAD WERE STRANGERS
BE CAREFUL WHEN THEY OFFER YOU THE MOON
FRIENDLY ISLAND SONG
TIME AND TIME AGAIN
NOTHING LEFT TO SAY
STRANGER IN TOWN
OUR LADY LOWNESS
LITTLE SAMMY SPEEDBALL
A word of warning: You've heard Mark Twain's assessment of statistics,
'Lies, damned lies, etc'? Well that needs to be borne in mind. All this
does is rank songs by their *average* popularity. I'm sure that most of us
would produce a completely different top 58 (or top 71 - I can see at least
three songs in the unranked section that I like very much personally).
However, when it comes to thinking about what Pete and Clive should use
when invited to contribute on the radio or TV etc, I think that this list -
together with Ian's and Michael's - could be helpful. The top ten are
statistically very defensible - probably the top twenty actually.
So, that's it. Steve has posted the results and the associated graph on the
web, at http://www.rwt.co.uk/top58.htm. Please bear in mind when you look
at the results that where n (the number of voters) is less than three,
statistically we're on thin ice.
Please feel free to dissect my approach. I'd welcome the feedback. And Pete
- any chance of Stranger in Town at Eastbourne or Buxton? ;-)
And finally, we need to think of a name for this statistic. I personally
favour 'Pete's index',
or in shortened notation: Pi
;-)
Best regards,
Richard
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Dr Richard M. Corfield Tel: <phone number>
Department of Earth Sciences, Fax: <fax number>
University of Oxford, INTERNATIONAL
Parks Road, Tel: <phone number>
Oxford OX1 3PR Fax: <fax number>
UK email: <email address>
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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:04:00 +0100
From: S J Birkill <email address>
Subject: MV1092: Morgan Studios (see MV874, MV965)
Richard Corfield's photos of the former Morgan, on the corner of Willesden
High Road and Maybury Gardens, NW10, can now be seen (sorry for the delay) at
http://www.rwt.co.uk/morgan1.jpg and
http://www.rwt.co.uk/morgan21.jpg
-- Steve
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From: Mark Roberts <email address>
Subject: MV1093 RE: MV1084; MV1082: PA COVERS ALBUM
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:18:11 +0100
>
>>Surely there are other PA/CJ songs which Voices can imagine being
>>sung/played by other artists? >Anyone else got any comments or ideas ...
>
>How about Toyah Wilcox doing Rain Wheels?! %)
How about Toyay Wilcox NOT doing Rain Wheels !!!
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:17:32 +0100
From: Roy Brown <email address>
Subject: MV1094 Re: MV1091: Pi
>From: Richard M Corfield <email address>
>
<Snip a great deal of useful info>
>
>And finally, we need to think of a name for this statistic. I personally
>favour 'Pete's index',
>
>or in shortened notation: Pi
>
Good name for a 'Best Of' CD do you think?
The most popular 22 songs over 7 LPs, approximately........ :-)
--
Roy Brown Phone : <phone number> Fax : <fax number>
Affirm Ltd Email : <email address>
<postal address> 'Have nothing on your systems that you do not
know to be useful, or believe to be beautiful.'
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:41:12 -0400
From: Chris Harris <email address>
Subject: MV1095 Re: MV1091: Pi
Re the statistics
I don't think it was Mark Twain who said it - but had the garment been
invented he probably would have;
"Statistics are like a bikini, what they reveal is interesting but what
they conceal is vital".
How about the ASPIC; Atkin Song Popularity Indicator Coefficient.
Chris.
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 21:14:20 +0100
From: Leslie Moss <email address>
Subject: MV1096 Re: MV1095; MV1091: Pi
At 20:41 28/05/98 +0100, you wrote:
>How about the ASPIC; Atkin Song Popularity Indicator Coefficient.
>
>
>Chris.
>
... with Clive James as the dandy I suppose?!
Leslie
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From: <email address>
Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:36:05 EDT
Subject: MV1097: Buxton - the advertising campaign
I dont know which Voice managed it, but someone has pulled off a masterstroke.
I've just discovered that on the back label of every bottle of Buxton mineral
water, after all the guff about how it's filtered through ancient limestone,
has a natural balance of minerals and that it's bottled at source etc.,
there's a triangle with a figure 1 inside it.
And beneath the triangle, the single word:
PETE.
Honest! Now all we have to do is get them to print '...Atkin, In Concert, Sep
20th', and it's bound to be a full house.
Don Bowen
Sparkling gently in Harrow.
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From: <email address>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 01:54:49 EDT
Subject: MV1098: New Top Ten
I'd like to thank Richard for all the time he's put into making a
statistically valid Top Ten as opposed to my amateurish version. I'm a little
disappointed that "Tonight your love is over" and "Wristwatch" have crept in
in place of some others but that's probably because I didn't vote for them
myself. It might be interesting to know (he says looking innocently at the
ceiling) just how many of Richard's personal Top Ten have moved up in his
revised version ...
8-))
Ian C
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From: Richard Corfield <email address>
Subject: MV1099 Re: MV1098: New Top Ten
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 08:42:54 +0100 (BST)
Ian,
How could you? I'm deeply wounded. So far Practical Man and Apparition
remain resolutely far down the list. But I'm trying to get some time on the
University's Cray and I think that by introducing log/quadratic scaling I
can fix that...
Richard
>
> I'd like to thank Richard for all the time he's put into making a
> statistically valid Top Ten as opposed to my amateurish version. I'm a little
> disappointed that "Tonight your love is over" and "Wristwatch" have crept in
> in place of some others but that's probably because I didn't vote for them
> myself. It might be interesting to know (he says looking innocently at the
> ceiling) just how many of Richard's personal Top Ten have moved up in his
> revised version ...
> 8-))
>
>
> Ian C
>
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Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:16:49 +0100
From: S J Birkill <email address>
Subject: MV1100: The Monyash CD - end of the line
Dear Fans
The 2 copies of the 2-CD set sent out this week to MV members bring the
total so far to 83. We have decided to set a cut-off point at 100, in true
limited-edition style. The present rate of trickle of orders should then
bring the edition to a close on or around the anniversary of the Festival,
or at the latest by the date of the Buxton concert.
So, anyone still intending to order the discs should put their orders in
soon. Full details are given in past MV messages, notably MV455, MV710 and
MV800. If you only have access to these via the Web archive, the 'censored'
details (originally summarised in a PS to MV800) read:
<omitted from Web Digest>
Update on availability of recordings:
VHS PAL tape (UK/Europe system): SOLD OUT
VHS NTSC (North America/Japan): 4 copies remain
CD-R 2-disc set: 17 copies remain
Anyone desperate for the videotape might like to check their TV's and VCR's
manuals - most PAL VHS machines sold in recent years will replay NTSC tapes
in NTSC or 525-line quasi-PAL, and newer TVs will handle these standards
transparently. Resolution is, understandably, not to PAL quality.
The re-issue 2-on-1 CD (BOTBS/DTMA) from See For Miles is still current,
and all MVs should have purchased at least one copy and told all their
friends to, the better to ensure the follow-on of AKAN/TROS and SD/LL! The
former of these is at the rights-negotiation stage at the moment; we will
advise MVs as soon as there's any word on its release. We'd like to have
copies available for sale at Buxton, but there's no indication yet of
whether that will be possible.
Magpie (see our Web site) is perhaps the best mail-order option for
BOTBS/DTMA; MVs in North America might like to try Maurice Lovelock
<email address> in Canada, who had a small number of copies for
distribution.
We have no plans for a Buxton 'live' album, and the usual restrictions on
audience recording equipment will be imposed at the Opera House.
Best
Steve
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From: Dave Jones <email address>
Subject: MV1101 RE: MV1100: The Monyash CD - end of the line
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 10:34:52 -0400
>We have no plans for a Buxton 'live' album, and the usual restrictions on
>audience recording equipment will be imposed at the Opera House.
Chorus of groans from across the pond...
One wonders exactly what it would take to change this prospect. Box
of choccies and some sweet talk ? Anonymous contributions to Swiss
bank accounts ? Money order made out to Molly Quotts ?
I suppose that with the involvement of BOH and the Hypertension Kid there
are legal and copyright issues that transcend anything encountered in a
tent in a Derbyshire field. That being said, if money alone were the issue,
and the collected transatlantic MV's each ponied up the price of a decent
night out over here ($50 to $100 depending) as front money, would
it be enough have any effect ?
If, in saying this, I've implicitly volunteered for anything, then I accept.
Dave Jones
Amateur Banker in Rochester NY.
PS What are they putting in the mineral water in Harrow, and how do we
get some ?
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From: <email address>
Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 13:59:06 EDT
Subject: MV1102: National Steal Service
I have been invited to subscribe to a new magazine called 'Dr.Atkin's Health
Revelations'. It offers the latest breakthroughs in complementary medicine -
including the good doctor's new lifestyle plan. Will the treatments include
snorting frangipanni and pearl drilling instead of trepanning ? Better be
careful - this could be live libel.
Barry Holley.
PS. Which is which, Pete ? Well we all know who is the hardy annual in the
ever changing world of TV presenters.... and who deserves the laurels when it
comes to performing those timeless ditties......
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Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 21:45:47 +0100
From: Kenneth Hutchinson <email address>
Subject: MV1103 Re: MV1049: Caption?
Dear all,
The caption suggestions seem to have withered on the vine or have I
missed someting in the last couple of weeks.
Anyway the bemused expressions of our very own Butch and Sundance
obviously show we are intruding on the following conversation:-
PA: Well CJ is this viagra all its cracked up to be?
CJ: Too right cobber, turned me into a thirty year man - and I'll have
a full head of hair by Tuesday.
Regards,
Ken
If anyone has the power to make us happy or unhappy it is our friends.
--
Ken Hutchinson
<email address>
http://www.idmon.demon.co.uk/index.htm
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