Midnight Voices
THE PETE ATKIN WEB FORUM   RSS
Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register.
This page loaded: 12.12.24 at 19:22 UK time
PA
HOME
Pete Atkin home page
MV Home | Short | Help | Search | Login | Register | Shop | PA Home
Midnight Voices « Funnelweb »
   Midnight Voices
   Pete Atkin
   Words

   Funnelweb
« Previous thread | Next thread »
Pages: 1   Start of Thread | Latest Post Reply | Notify of replies | Send Thread | Print
   Author  Thread: Funnelweb  (Read 15256 times)
Sylfest
MV Feature
***


Let's try the whole thing again!



Posts: 49
Funnelweb
« : 02.11.13 at 10:34 »
Quote

Returning to my well-thumbed copy of Other Passports recently...  
Funnelweb is a dense poem which I've struggled to understand, yet it covers territory that seems very familiar to MV fans of the song canon. There are loads of echoes in it of some of the most vivid lyric lines, though the poem goes further and wider.  
Would it be fanciful to regard Funnelweb as 'the James manifesto' in a way?
I miss the old MV lit crit era! How about a community effort to unravel the Funnelweb poem from the point of view of us fans of the related song lyrics? Maybe we could set up a wiki or something to collaborate on ideas. Anyone interested?
    https://peteatkin.com/forum?board=Words&action=display&num=1383384851&start=0#0   copy 
Mike Walters
MV Fixture
****






Posts: 127
Re: Funnelweb
« Reply #1: 07.11.13 at 15:46 »
Quote

I miss those old discussions too, Sylfest.  In principle, I'd be very interested in a discussion about Funnelweb - it's a good few years since I read it but I recall it being fascinating but opaque.  I hadn't thought about it in terms of a potential manifesto or its possible relationship to Clive's lyric-writing. I will go and dig it out for a re-read...
    https://peteatkin.com/forum?board=Words&action=display&num=1383384851&start=1#1   copy 
Ian Ashleigh
MV Fixture
****


Carnations on the Roof



Posts: 155
Re: Funnelweb
« Reply #2: 10.11.13 at 10:38 »
Quote

I retrieved my copy of 'The Book of My Enemy' from its shelf and read Funnelweb for the first time in a long time.  It is opaque yet familiar and a sharing of views about it as suggested by Mike Walters and Sylfest would be interesting.
 
I know that Clive purposely and deliberately has always separated his poetry from his song lyrics but while reading I envisaged Pete taking the poem and turning it into a Roy Harperseque leviathan taking up the whole side of an LP - I can see the reaction at RCA back in the day as I write!!
    https://peteatkin.com/forum?board=Words&action=display&num=1383384851&start=2#2   copy 

Though he had no great gifts of personality or mind, he was quite well respected.
dr_john
MV Feature
***



You've gotta help me, doc...



Posts: 65
Re: Funnelweb
« Reply #3: 10.11.13 at 17:30 »
Quote

Link here for those who haven't seen it for a while.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2oiKM4we26wC&pg=PA29&lpg=PA29&dq=clive+james+funnelweb...
 
<< Displayed URL shortened. Hyperlink remains complete, but note the source doesn't display the entire poem -- SJB >>
« Last Edit: 11.11.13 at 14:56 by S J Birkill »     https://peteatkin.com/forum?board=Words&action=display&num=1383384851&start=3#3   copy 
Sylfest
MV Feature
***


Let's try the whole thing again!



Posts: 49
Re: Funnelweb
« Reply #4: 11.11.13 at 14:12 »
Quote

That link didn't take me as far as the end of the poem, though it went most of the way. I don't know if everyone will have the same experience.
 
Good to hear the interest in looking at Funnelweb.  
As far as I can tell, the poem presents a series of vivid but unrelated moments where there is wonder and grace in some ephemeral detail - white spirals of vapour spinning of a fighter plane's wingtip, a flame reflected in the mask of a diver welding underwater - that seems incongruous or irrelevant in its context.  
From the songs, I think we've all felt the thrill of these moments - "a galleon with fire below falls glowing through the sea", "the hands on his chest flared more brightly than his name, for a Technicolor second...". For me, these phrases are the hallmark and greatest delight of Clive's lyrics. But in the poem he pursues the idea way further than "a perfect bitch it doesn't work that way", arguing that these are not mere ephemera but reveal glimpses of something deeper. Peter Porter's review of the poem in the London Review of Books likens Funnelweb to a jewel, each of whose (tightly constructed and polished) facets illuminates the centre. But it's a challenge to discover what connects these facets - or even what some of the facets are - and what lies at that centre.
 
I'd like to understand this better. Can it reveal a key idea, one that links academic and populist Clive, the restless scholarship and the eye for incidental beauty, even junk?  
Even if that's too fanciful, there's still the enjoyable collector's game of tracing ideas and images from songs written earlier.
    https://peteatkin.com/forum?board=Words&action=display&num=1383384851&start=4#4   copy 
Pages: 1    Start of Thread | Latest Post Reply | Notify of replies | Send Thread | Print
Return to Top « Previous thread | Next thread »
MV Home | Short | Help | Search | Login | Register | Shop | PA Home
Midnight Voices is not responsible for comments made by its members. All opinions expressed are entirely those of their authors.
Midnight Voices » Powered by YaBB 1 Gold - SP 1.3.1!
YaBB © 2000-2003. All Rights Reserved.