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Title: Hill of little shoes
Post by colin_boag on Today at 23:31
Just been at a wonderful Michael Marra gig at Farnham, and during the interval they played an album which had a great cover of Hill of Little Shoes - couldn't work out who it was by although they also did a great cover of MM's Silence.  Anyone enlighten me?

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Keith Busby on 22.04.10 at 00:52
Sounds like a challenge for Jan, Kevin, or Steve.

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by colin_boag on 22.04.10 at 09:23
I've now managed to work it out - the new Coope, Boyes and Simpson album - sounded excellent and for some reason I found their version of Hill of Little Shoes particularly moving

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Kevin Cryan on 22.04.10 at 11:05

on 04/22/10 at 09:23:38, colin_boag wrote :
I've now managed to work it out - the new Coope, Boyes and Simpson album - sounded excellent and for some reason I found their version of Hill of Little Shoes particularly moving

I believe that it's on this album.

http://www.coopeboyesandsimpson.co.uk/images/scanned%20images/As_if_front_cover.jpg

Coope, Boyes & Simpson Homepage (http://www.coopeboyesandsimpson.co.uk/)

New album - Out soon

Release 31 May 2010
Album Launch Champagne Reception and CD signing
Shepley Spring Festival
23 May - 5.00pm
www.shepleyspringfestival.com
Tickets - www.folkstore.co.uk/Tickets/Shepley-Spring-Festival.htm


www.nomasters.co.uk


I believe that it first got into their repertoire because Barry Coope and Jim Boyes liked it and thought it suitable number to perform as part of their their Folk against Fascism[link] (http://www.folkagainstfascism.com) gigs.

Kevin Cryan

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Pete Atkin on 22.04.10 at 15:58
That's the kind of moment I dream of having, Colin.   I'm ashamed to say I didn't know of CB&S, but I've just checked them out on Spotify and they sound like a great outfit.  Can't wait to hear their version.  Hope they don't round down the chords too much, but hey...   Shame they didn't contact us - we're not hard to reach, after all - but never mind, never mind at all.

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Kevin Cryan on 23.04.10 at 09:38

on 04/22/10 at 15:58:51, Pete Atkin wrote :
..... Can't wait to hear their version.  .....



I omitted to say that one third of the group, Lester Simpson, is co-presenter, with Mick Peat, of BBC Radio Derby's Folkwaves (http://www.bbc.co.uk/derby/local_radio/folkwaves_programme_feature.shtml), which is broadcast on Mondays between 7pm and 9pm,  and that tracks from the as if album have been featured on the last two programmes. I do not know what was played on the Monday the 12th of April broadcast, but I know that it was one of Lester's own compositions was featured on this week's programme. So, it is just possible that in coming weeks Hill of little shoes will be given an outing.

Kevin Cryan

BBC Radio Derby listen live (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/playlive/bbc_radio_derby/)

BBC Radio Derby Folkwaves listen again (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio/bbc_radio_derby/)

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Kevin Cryan on 28.05.10 at 09:22
I do not suppose enough people read the prolific online folk reviewer David Kidman to notice that, in the course of reviewing Coope Boyes & Simpson's As if for NetRhythn.co.uk (http://www.netrhythms.co.uk/reviews.html), he casually refers to  “the Clive James/Pete Atkin mini-masterpiece A Hill Of Little Shoes”.

However let’s hope that larger numbers will read, and have their interest aroused by, by the better known Robin Denselow (http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/robindenselow) who has written  in today’s edition of the The Grauniad (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/may/27/coope-boyes-simpson-review) that on As if there’s  “everything from a sturdy reworking of Clive James and Pete Atkins's pained and powerful Hill of Little Shoes*, Richard Thompson's edgy Keep Your Distance and Robert Burns's The Slave's Lament, while their own new songs are equally varied, from Boyes's political warning Under the Stone and updated satire of The Emperor's New Clothes through to Simpson's powerful Haven, a song of hope for a suffering friend, or a bitter reworking of the Who on We Got Fooled Again. It's all sung a cappella, with occasional minimal percussion and magnificent harmonies throughout”.

*I italicized, but deliberately left the typo KC.

Kevin Cryan

PS.

A note for the diary.


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The Mike Harding Show (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00skpb2)

Wednesday, 19:00 on BBC Radio 2

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/images/progbrand/b006wrmz_178_100.jpg
Mike Harding presents an hour of the very best in folk, roots and acoustic music including news from the world of folk and the latest album releases. This week's show features an interview with singer-songwriter Jim Boyes, from the Northern English a cappella trio Coope Boyes & Simpson.

Since 1993 the all-male group's remarkable harmonies and unusual arrangements have won them commissions and plaudits from around the world.Their new album, As If, sees them return to contemporary songs and compositions after 2005's traditional collection Triple Echo.

Jim tells Mike about the powerful songs they're chosen to receive the CB&S treatment - including works by Michael Marra and Clive James - and the political subjects that have inspired their own songwriting. He also talks about the interesting process by which they arrange their voices, and the various projects they've been working on in recent years.

Coope Boyes & Simpson formed in the early 1990s after Barry Coope accompanied Jim Boyes on a record he was making with John Tams. Having previously been a member of vocal group Swan Arcade, Jim fancied a return to all-voice work and recruited Lester Simpson to complete the trio. Their subsequent career has included acclaimed collaborations with the author Michael Morpurgo and Flemish arts organisation Peace Concerts Passendale.

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Kevin Cryan on 31.05.10 at 12:31
This is an extract from Allan Wilkinson’s report for Northern Sky website (http://www.allanwilkinson.co.uk/node/959) from Shepley Spring Festival (21-23rd May 2010) at which Cooope Boyes and Simpson launched As if… (http://www.allanwilkinson.co.uk/node/963)



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...... Coope Boyes Simpson's eagerly anticipated set, featuring the bulk of songs from their newly launched album, drew a large crowd in the Festival Hub. With three distinctively strong voices, the entirely a cappella set featured familiar songs such as Jim Boyes' Unison in Harmony and Robert Burns' The Slave's Lament as well as a selection from the new record, Richard Thompson's Keep Your Distance, Silence and the heartbreaking Clive James/Pete Atkin song A Hill of Little Shoes. Lester Simpson also revealed a shared love for The Who, with an alternative look at things with a new song We Got Fooled Again. Before the marquee was vacated to allow for some adjustment in the seating plan in order for the finale of the festival, which would include dancing, MC Mick Peat joined Coope Boyes and Simpson and Will Noble for the traditional singing of The Holmfirth Anthem, always a significant moment in this area of Yorkshire....

.




Kevin Cryan

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Kevin Cryan on 31.05.10 at 19:15
For a mere £0.79, A Hill of Little Shoes by Coope Boys & Simpson is now available as an MP3 download from Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/A-Hill-of-Little-Shoes/dp/B003NAQXF0).




Kevin Cryan


Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Rob Spence on 31.05.10 at 20:09

on 05/31/10 at 19:15:29, Kevin Cryan wrote :
For a mere £0.79, A Hill of Little Shoes by Coope Boys & Simpson is now available as an MP3 download from Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/A-Hill-of-Little-Shoes/dp/B003NAQXF0).




Kevin Cryan

A veritable bargain, no doubt. But discerning MVs will go for the whole album, no?

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Kevin Cryan on 01.06.10 at 09:29

on 05/31/10 at 20:09:16, Rob Spence wrote :
A veritable bargain, no doubt. But discerning MVs will go for the whole album, no?



I'd like to think so. My recommendation was really aimed at those anxious to be among the first to hear how CB&S had treated A Hill of Little Shoes.


Kevin Cryan

Album now on sale

as if... (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003HFFV4K/ref=dm_dp_cdp?ie=UTF8&s=music) Coope Boyes & Simpson (Artist) in CD format from Amazon


as if... (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003NAJEKG/ref=dm_sp_alb/277-9009264-5131704)Coope Boyes & Simpson (Artist) in MP3 format from Amazon

as if... (http://nomasters.co.uk/shopping/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=102)Coope Boyes & Simpson (Artist) in CD format from No Masters.*link (http://www.nomasters.co.uk/ )


*link (http://www.nomasters.co.uk/ )

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No Masters, the northern-based song-writing co-operative, was formed by John Tams and Jim Boyes in 1990. It sought out writers, performers and musicians who were, in their various ways, seeking to celebrate and extend those bits of the people's tradition invariably described as 'radical' or 'political'.

Since then, its membership has expanded to include outstanding writers and performers such as Mike Waterson, Jo Freya, Lester Simpson, Barry Coope, Fi Fraser, Ray Hearne, Chumbawamba, and the late Lal Waterson.

No Masters celebrates songwriting that addresses issues: that is rooted in its time and its communities: that is engaged with the struggles confronting and reshaping those communities: that pays homage to its traditions by reworking them; and that is unafraid to take sides whilst eschewing propaganda. It is a unique force in folk music.





Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Ian Ashleigh on 01.06.10 at 18:36
I await my delivery from No Masters as I write and will review on these boards in due course

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Kevin Cryan on 01.06.10 at 20:55
Barry Coope guested on Monday night's edition of  BBC Radio Derby's Folkwaves If, using the "listen again" link, you skip thirty minutes into the programme, you can hear him talk about As if and introduce two tracks, Spring 1919 and Now is the Cool of the Day, from the album.  

BBC Radio Derby Folkwaves listen again (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio/bbc_radio_derby/)

Kevin Cryan

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Kevin Cryan on 02.06.10 at 20:44
The Coope, Boyes & Simpson tracks played on this evening's  The Mike Harding Show (for link, see earlier posting) were Now Is The Cool Of The Day (Jean Richie), A Hill Of Little Shoes (Pete Atkin & Clive James) and Keep Your Distance(Richard Thompson), all from the album As If ... (NMCD35]

When the show is available on BBC iPlayer, you can catch the The Coope, Boyes & Simpson segment by skipping the first 22 or 23 minutes of the show.


Kevin Cryan

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Kevin Cryan on 03.06.10 at 11:13

on 06/02/10 at 20:44:21, Kevin Cryan wrote :
The Coope, Boyes & Simpson tracks played on this evening's  The Mike Harding Show (for link, see earlier posting) were Now Is The Cool Of The Day (Jean Richie), A Hill Of Little Shoes (Pete Atkin & Clive James) and Keep Your Distance(Richard Thompson), all from the album As If ... (NMCD35]

When the show is available on BBC iPlayer, you can catch the The Coope, Boyes & Simpson segment by skipping the first 22 or 23 minutes of the show.


Kevin Cryan


Available now on BBC iPlayer

Click on [bgcolor=Black]listen now[/bgcolor] (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00skpb2) (60 minutes)
Available since yesterday with 6 days left.

Kevin Cryan

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Jan on 03.06.10 at 19:36
Also to be found on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0dcV5-0pAM

Jan

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Carole on 05.06.10 at 15:42
Thanks to Colin for originally posting this, and Kevin for all the useful follow-ups.

Having listened to it, I think it's quite lovely, if that's the word I'm looking for for this song. As Kevin says here and Colin says in his post on the Adrian Edmondson thread, I, too, find this version very moving - there's something almost childlike in the harmony. Despite the subject matter it never really got to me until I heard this recording.  It's marvellous to hear an Atkin/James song given such splendid and sympathetic treatment.

And Coope, Boyes and Simpson sound remarkably like Swan Arcade used to! Hooray!

Give it a listen if you haven't already.

Carole

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Kevin Cryan on 05.06.10 at 19:21

on 06/05/10 at 15:42:33, Carole wrote :
..........

And Coope, Boyes and Simpson sound remarkably like Swan Arcade used to! Hooray!

Give it a listen if you haven't already.

Carole


Their sounding remarkably like Swan Arcade is not all that surprising when you realize - as you probably did, Carole - that one third of CB&S, Jim Boyes,  was one third of the original lineup of Swan Arcade (http://www.myspace.com/swanarcade).


Kevin

I'm pretty certain that he on SA's version of The Beatles' Paperback Writer that's on their MySpace page.

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Carole on 05.06.10 at 19:35
Yes, I certainly did, Kevin.

And just to prove I'll "put my money where my mouth is" we're going to see them at Belper School this Thursday (10th).

http://www.coopeboyesandsimpson.co.uk/

There are still tickets available, or there were earlier today. Anyone else going?

Carole

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by nomasters on 09.06.10 at 12:11
Hi everyone
I'm Jude from No Masters, who have put out the wonderful new Coope, Boye and Simpson album with the heartbreaking version of Hill Of Little Shoes on it.
We did try and get permission from both Hillside Music and United Agents (Clive James' agents) but received no reply from either. But we should have credited the writers and publishers in the sleeve notes. What can I say - something always slips through the proofreading net - believe me, there's one on every album!

So, Pete, if you want me to send you (and Clive) a copy of the album, I'd be happy to do so.


Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by andyw on 09.06.10 at 21:46
Radcliffe & Maconie Show on Radio 2 has just played the Coope, Boyes & Simpson track "Now Is The Cool Of The Day", and announced that CB&S will be on their show on Tuesday 29 June.  I have suggested that they encourage them to play "A Hill Of Little Shoes" - can you fix it Jude?

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Ian Ashleigh on 15.06.10 at 18:54
Somewhat belatedly - my review

The cover of A Hill Of Little Shoes is, as those who have heard it, will confim a wonderfully poignant cover.  The whole CD is equally good, I like the cover of Richard Thompson's Keep Your Distance every track is well arranged and has something to say.  There are self penned songs of high quality including an answer to Pete Townsend's Won't Get Fooled Again from a 2010 perspective and an adaptation of a Robert Burns peom tied to a song written in the workhouse 100 years ago

So to all MVs who have listened to the PA/CJ cover, check out the whole album.

Title: Re: Hill of Little Shoes
Post by Carole on 16.06.10 at 12:29
The gig last week at Belper School was excellent good fun.

'Hill' drew the usual Oh!s when it was explained that 'that' Clive James had written the lyric, and CB&S also did a nice plug for PA/CJ's songwriting skills. They sang 'Hill' beautifully and all Pete's complex chords really seemed to make it stand out from their other material. I heard a few gulps at the end of the song and Lester Simpson yet again said what a splendid song it was.

Everything else they did was top class. As Ian says, check out the album, you won't be disappointed.

We had a chat with Georgina Boyes after the show and a longer one with Jim Boyes (Georgina was manning the CD desk and doing a brisk trade) who said that Pete had been really pleased with their treatment of 'Hill' and had suggested a couple more songs for them to do! Lovely - can't wait!

Carole

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by andyw on 11.07.10 at 09:52
"A Hill Of Little Shoes" update.

Radcliffe & Maconie Show on Radio 2 on Tuesday 29 June did not feature the Coope, Boyes & Simpson a cappella version from the “as if” CD.

However, I am delighted to report that the audience was mesmerised by the live version that CB&S performed at the superb 20th anniversary celebration of the No Masters Co-operative on Friday 9 July at Victoria Hall, Saltaire (near Bradford).  It was introduced as “a song by Pete Atkin and Clive James”, which was greeted by a murmur of at least partial recognition, and seemed to be well received by the packed crowd, even though we were somewhat subdued by the heat and humidity of the night.

A triumph and, like Carole, I am looking forward to more covers of our heroes from CB&S.

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Ian Chippett on 12.07.10 at 21:06
They're still at it...


http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/29371/


Ian C

Title: Re: Hill of Little Shoes
Post by phil_smith on 07.08.10 at 21:33
Oh dear, I fear my NT technology disability will mean this goes to the entirely wrong place. But......The version of "Hill Of Little Shoes" on the new CD by Coope, Boyes and Simpson is both magnificent and heartbreaking. Who ever said that a great cover could never be made of an Atkin/James song?

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by S J Birkill on 08.08.10 at 10:11
No problem, Phil -- I took the liberty of moving your post from the 'Julie Covington on Radio' thread to this one.

Two ways to ensure a post appears where you want it:

If replying to an existing thread, just open any message in that thread (as you did with the JC one) and hit 'Reply' in the blue bar at bottom right of the page.

If starting a new thread (topic), go to the full forum index ('MV Home (http://www.peteatkin.com/cgi-bin/mv/YaBB.cgi)' on the menu bar), choose a 'Category' and a 'Board' (for instance 'Music', the fifth one down) and click that. If there's already an open thread on your topic, select that from the list and use 'Reply', as above. Otherwise click 'Start New Thread' in the blue bar at top or bottom right.

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But yes, C, B & S's must be the most sympathetic PA cover version ever. We should do more to raise awareness of the songs in today's musicmaking community.

Steve


Title: Re: Hill of Little Shoes
Post by Kevin Cryan on 08.08.10 at 17:52

on 08/07/10 at 21:33:39, phil_smith wrote :
Oh dear, I fear my NT technology disability will mean this goes to the entirely wrong place. But......The version of "Hill Of Little Shoes" on the new CD by Coope, Boyes and Simpson is both magnificent and heartbreaking. Who ever said that a great cover could never be made of an Atkin/James song?


The BBC (Radio) Music reviewer, Laura Barton, whom I presume to be that clever columnist (http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/laurabarton) who features now regularly in the pages of The Guardian, liked the CBS cover of A Hill of Little Shoes enough to quote from it.


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Barry Coope, Jim Boyes and Lester Simpson are masters of close-harmony vocal work — the rather technical definition which describes the kind of heart-stirring group singing that has been one of the most recognisable characteristics of the English folk tradition. They have sung with the Waterson-Carthy (http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artists/5e4be767-e691-415a-8f99-17d2fcbc4ce3) clan, and with the National Theatre, as well as releasing their own recordings in the near-20 years of their career as a trio.

As If… is their first record for five years and it shows the measure of their talent — running from covers such as Robert Burns’ The Slave’s Lament to the deep, steady sadness of Clive James and Pete Atkins’ A Hill of Little Shoes (sample lyric: “and every little shoe’s a foot that never grew another day”) to a closing answer to  The Who (http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artists/9fdaa16b-a6c4-4831-b87c-bc9ca8ce7eaa#p007pjv9)’s Won’t Get Fooled Again (says Simpson: “They inspired me when I was at school, but now I have a more realistic view of the world”).

There is further new material here, too, and it is this which proves the most intriguing — the politically-charged Under a Stone and the satirical twinge of The Emperor’s New Clothes, to the close, warm, gentleness of Simpson’s composition, Haven. Even on the newer tracks, As If… offers music that is rich and deep and rousing in its familiarity.



The misplacement of the apostrophe I attribute to the sub-editor’s not knowing that Pete’s surname, unlike the surnames of Burns and James, does not end with an “s”.  Or it may be an forgivable mistake arising from the fact that since the apostrophe correctly comes after the "s" in Burns' case, and would have been placed correctly after the “s” in James' case had James' name been placed after, rather than before,  Arkin’s, the Akins’ – apostrophe after “s”- must be correct.

Kevin Cryan

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Ian Chippett on 08.08.10 at 19:58
Kevin wrote:

<<The misplacement of the apostrophe I attribute to the sub-editor’s not knowing that Pete’s surname, unlike the surnames of Burns and James, does not end with an “s”.>>

I think poor Pete is just condemned to having his name misspelt: I lent my next-door neighbour two of CJ's books which she loved and then today Pete's "Midnight Voices" compilation. "Ah, yes! He talks about Pete Aitkin in the Cambridge volume."

He's not alone, alas.

Ian Chipett/Chippet/Chippette

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by phil_smith on 09.08.10 at 22:07
Bring me the head of Clete Atkames! And enough of this! The use of the unnecessary apostrophe has already been the subject of an Iranian comedian's sketch, brings distress to all right thinking pedants, and who is this Cliff Richard on rhythm Rolling Stone pop records? And what has happened to Bill Bailey?

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Richard Bleksley on 24.11.10 at 16:45
Must be the longest gap between postings since I joined MV....

Sloth being officially one of the seven deadly sins, I am ashamed to say that I have only just caught up with Coope Boyes and Simpson's cover of A Hill of Little Shoes. I am not ashamed to say that I was totally blown away by it. I had actually heard of them before, so I had an idea of what to expect, but the reality exceeded expectations. Just brilliant, and must be, as has been said already, the finest cover of a CJ/PA song ever.

The whole album beckons.

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by andyw on 01.12.10 at 17:51
Picture the scene – a very frosty Sunday night in Lancashire, where a small, but perfectly-formed audience has congregated in the small, but perfectly-formed Mellor Brook Community Centre.  After a brilliant opening set by the excellent Tom Doughty (http://www.tomdoughty.com/), the headline act is Coope, Boyes and Simpson, singing mainly from their “as if” CD.  So, I suspect quite a few people are for the first time exposed to the work of our heroes, through "A Hill Of Little Shoes".  As is always the case with CB&S, full and appropriate credit was given to the writers, so some more people know of Pete and Clive’s work – and “as if” CDs seemed to be selling.  Needless to say, "A Hill Of Little Shoes" was performed impeccably and was well-received – contributing to a wonderful night of music.

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Ian Ashleigh on 01.12.10 at 21:11
This could cross 2 threads ...

I bought a copy of 'as if' for my brother who was listening to it in the car and as a result my 15 year old neice asked for it to be put on her i-pod

Quality will always out methinks

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Pete Atkin on 09.02.11 at 09:46
I'd had my fingers crossed for CB&S at the Radio 2 Folk Awards (they were nominated in both the Best Group and Best Album categories, if you hadn't noticed - and even if you had), so as far as I'm concerned crossing your fingers is now a thoroughly discredited technique.  I've had good results so far with always putting my left sock on first, but I can't avoid the feeling that disillusion lurks there too.   But anyway, two nominations in two such major categories constitute a considerable achievement, worthy of large congratulations.

And by the way, Clive and I have been paid a further compliment by Belinda O'Hooley and Heidi Tidow, more compactly known as O'Hooley and Tidow, who have also learned the song and added it to their current setlist.   They also operate under the No Masters banner.  You can find them at (surprise surprise) www.ohooleyandtidow.com.  Catch them if you can and give them all the encouragement they undoubtedly deserve.

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by naomi on 09.02.11 at 22:17
It's some challenge to endure singing Pete's and Clive's song - and for reasons that are entirely to the writers' credit. There are some songs whose power can be too much for a performer to bear. It's good to hear that this song is entering the mainstream repertoire of some who have faced that challenge.



Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Gerry Smith on 10.02.11 at 00:40
I entirely agree that CB&S's cover of HoLS is outstanding. Wondering why they chose to slightly truncate it though. Seems to end a bit suddenly.

But Naomi is right, the power of this piece is hard to understimate. My brother has made a copy of Winter Spring omitting the track as he finds it too upsetting to listen to.

I like CB&S but prefer The Watersons in this style. A great verson of 'The Good Old Way' on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9qlI6hQYy0






Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Ian Chippett on 10.02.11 at 09:15
Gerry wrote:
<< My brother has made a copy of Winter Spring omitting the track as he finds it too upsetting to listen to.  >>

Exactly: I was sitting next to Gerry at Buxton back in 1998 when Clive "sang" this on stage and there was a tear in at least one eye present.

Ian C

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Ian Ashleigh on 11.02.11 at 22:51
Following on from the serious tone of this posting:  

I find the song difficult to listen to but I am pleased that it was written and covered by CB&S and that it is being discussed.  And I do listen to a 3 versions that I own regularly.  

I have evidence that I lost family in Treblinka and I know that I lost others, I just haven't found them yet.  But I see my daughter, my neice and nephew and their friends and contemporaries now in their mid to late teens who did learn to tie their shoelaces and did grow tall and I am thankful that we have the freedom to write the song and discuss it.

The 3 versions are on Winter Spring, Live in Australia and the Coope Boyes & Simpson cover.

Shabbat shalom and peace be with you.

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Douglas Fergus on 23.02.11 at 16:55
Recently updated my profile following a period of absence from MV  :-[
(Thanks again Steve for your help!)
Perusing  the site I came across the various YouTube clips.
The film accompanying the Hill of Little Shoes cover is harrowing - in fact, I found it very upsetting.
The caption at the end says it all; profoundly moving.

Douglas

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Cary on 23.02.11 at 23:02
Also on Youtube "23rd January 2011. Belinda O'Hooley & Heidi Tidow performing Hill Of Little Shoes at Seasalt & Passion Cafe Bridlington" (though not credited to A & J .... not credited to anyone actually!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnVWHZ3wTFo

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Leslie Moss on 27.02.11 at 06:52
Prompted by this thread I went to Youtube and found the CB&S version (thanks to Kevin Cryer for posting it). What an incredible performance of an incredible song.  It is particularly pleasing to see that a new song has broken through rather than endless revisitings of the old material.

In the Cool of the Day is pretty special too.

Leslie
(who got up early to do an on-line Open University assignment only to find that their server had gone down and as it was too late to go back to bed has been catching up on MV, Youtube et al)

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Gerry Smith on 28.02.11 at 00:46
Blimey, Leslie! Talk about the eternal student! Thought you had just finished a physics degree?

Maybe see you at Eastbourne, asignments allowing ;-) ?

Best

Gerry

PS - off topic, did a folk gig the other week and bloke asked if we did 'The Maids of Mitchelstown'. Well, we didn't but i've had a listen to a fantastic version of it on Spotify. Search on 'Maids of Mitchelstown' and listen to the Declan Masterson version. Simply beautiful.

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Leslie Moss on 05.03.11 at 05:51
Same degree I'm afraid - hoping to graduate next year.

When's Eastbourne?

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Leslie Moss on 05.03.11 at 05:57
Sorry, don't answer that - got the answer from the Smash Flops front page.

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by james_c on 20.07.11 at 07:05
I’m new here – please re-route me if the answer is elsewhere...

I live in Steyr, Austria and have contact with KZ Mauthausen Komitee (Mauthausen Concentration Camp Committee). They often have remembrance events here at which it would be good to play “Hill of little shoes”. I have the CB+S CD version. This is used in the youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CghzuhZOGAI uploaded by “kevcryan” which I would like to pass on to the Mauthausen Committee.

Could somebody please advise me how to do this without falling into copyright or other legal loopholes?

Thanks - James

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by S J Birkill on 24.07.11 at 10:40
New member james_c wrote:

on 07/20/11 at 07:05:03, james_c wrote :
Could somebody please advise me how to do this without falling into copyright or other legal loopholes?

It seem to me that most of YouTube is copyright infringement to a greater or lesser degree of blatency, and often silently tolerated by the copyright holders as it generates valuable publicity for their work without giving away the full-resolution version. Rather like my inclusion of low-bitrate song clips in the (since outmoded) RealAudio format on the PA Website, but not (except in a few specially approved cases) a higher quality MP3 version.

But taking an audio or video file out of that 'sheltered' context and playing it at a public event surely places it squarely back in the mainstream of rights law, requiring the permissions of all the parties (artist, writer, publisher, owner) and probably public performance licensing too. I haven't personally delved into copyright law, but I'd imagine there are few if any exemptions and that this would apply to video installations at galleries as well as James' proposal for the KZ Mauthausen remembrance exhibition.

Has anyone here experience of such use? Any thoughts, Kevin? Any suggestions on procedure, Pete?

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by Pete Atkin on 24.07.11 at 10:59
The licensing of copyright works for public performance is pretty much worldwide except perhaps for China and one or two other places whose identity would be no great surprise, so I'd be confident that Austria is among the participating countries.   And if the Austrian copyright organisation is anything like as vigilant as the PRS here I would imagine that any venue which regularly admits the public would be appropriately licensed.   The easiest thing would be simply to ask them.  It is ultimately their responsibilty.

(By the way and for what it's worth, the compiler of the YouTube versions has edited off the final verse, insensitively and damagingly in my view.)

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by james_c on 25.07.11 at 09:17
Thanks Steve and Pete
I’ll contact AKM here in Austria - it’s the equivalent of the PRS in the UK. I am an AKM member, as I am a singer-songwriter. However, all this “rights” stuff is new to me.

As you say, Pete, it’s a pity the end of the song has been cut from the video – and in such a way. However, as a poignant piece of work for people here, it still works.

In case you’re interested, some of my stuff is on http://www.jamesclifford.at/music2.html  including a new UK national anthem about the arms trade – it’s on the youtube link: “God save us all”

Best wishes - James

Title: Re: Hill of little shoes
Post by andyw on 05.07.12 at 21:25
Just to report that Mike Harding played the C B & S version of "A Hill Of Little Shoes" on his BBC Radio 2 programme on Wednesday 4th July 19.00 - 20.00.  Mike's fulsome praise as usual for this track. Credit (in part) was given, namely that this was based on a "poem" by Clive James.



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