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(Message started by: Simon Reap on Today at 16:22)

Title: Clive on Loose Neds
Post by Simon Reap on Today at 16:22
You can hear Clive's show via the "Listen to the latest edition" link on  http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/comedy/looseends.shtml until this Saturday, so hurry.

Clive was first up (but managed to interrupt throughout the show!).  He talked a little about whether he did or didn't coin the phrases "young fogey" and "underwhelmed", and about the talk he was to gave on wednesday evening in London.

He wouldn't reveal the name of the inspiration for "The book of my enemy", chiz chiz. He discussed his recent spats in the Times Literary Supplement [1], with Gore Vidal about Pearl Harbor, and with a number of philosophers about Isiah Berlin.

Clive revealed that he had been asked to be on "I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here" but didn't fancy it - why should he want to go back to a place just like the one he was born and raised in? Clive also said that he no longer lives in the Barbican, which somehow led to a tedious discussion about peoples' confusion between slapheads (their phrase) Clive, Ned, Alan Coren and Murray Walker, but it did give Tony Bennet the chance to offer "I'll lend you mine".

[1] I originally had "TLS" here, which is what Ned called it, but could I assume that everyone would know what I meant? Possibly. It smacks of something I saw on "The Bill" the other day (by chance - honest!), about a reference to "William Shakespeare's Troilus and Cressida" - a few years ago would the author have had to be mentioned?


Title: Re: Clive on Loose Neds
Post by Jan on Today at 17:24
To be pedantic, unless its changed recently, I believe the Times Literary Supplement is now actually called the TLS whereas in the old days it was called the Times Literary Supplement. It now matches the TES (formerly Times Education Supplement) and the Higher (was the Times Higher Education Supplement)
You can tell I used to be a cataloguer.
Entertaining program though!
And no Underwhelmed was definitely not coined by Clive although he was one of the first, and is I think cited by the OED.
At present I think the oldest reference is:
1948 _Iowa City Press Citizen_ 30 Sept. 6  
He [the New Englander] is underwhelmed by life rather than overwhelmed.
Jan

Title: Re: Clive on Loose Neds
Post by Simon Reap on Today at 17:46

on 12/09/04 at 17:24:58, Jan wrote :
To be pedantic, unless its changed recently, I believe the Times Literary Supplement is now actually called the TLS whereas in the old days it was called the Times Literary Supplement.


Ah, the battle between accuracy and usefulness!  I think I prefer the full version of the name.  There is an international audience for this forum, and Times Literary Supplement says what the publication is - TLS is fine if you already know.    I remember the same thing a few years back (on Loose Ends again, I think).  Someone mentioned the Ham and High, without explaining to a non-London audience that it was a local (Hampstead and Highgate) newspaper with pretentions.

Title: Re: Clive on Loose Neds
Post by Murray McGlew on 13.12.04 at 12:22
The Barbican? Clive no longer lives there? All this time I thought the Barbican only existed in "The Remake". Chance Jenolan was probably his actual neighbour. I wonder if Clive remembers that sponging drunkard from Cambridge who stayed with Chance twenty plus years ago.



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